chainsaw_metal1

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That, and going by the fans I come across on Tumblr, fans like us are dwindling. The modern fandom is filled with shippers and fan fic writers, who just want attractive actors that they can pair up in imaginary partnerships instead of thought-provoking SF. There are numerous blogs that don't talk about the depth of stories or character development, but instead encourage each other in their wanting to see The Doctor and Rory make it in the TARDIS. And it's not just WHO, but all of the fandoms. Between that and the ADD audience you mention, good SF writing won't be making an appearance any time soon.
 

chainsaw_metal1

Member: Rank 8
All of this being said, I still really enjoy NuWho. Maybe it's just that there is so little on TV anymore that gets me excited (outside of the superhero fare). Maybe it's just that The Doctor has been such a big part of my life. Either way, I still like it. But I can be objective, and I can see the flaws in the show, and admit there are issues. Still, I won't try to say that everything that came before was gold. There's some rubbish in Classic Who, and Star Trek, and every other franchise that has been rebooted or continued or whatever. I won't change anyone's mind and they won't change mine.
 

ant-mac

Member: Rank 9
It really is sad. Once upon a time, SF was a concept that could encompass so many different topics and situations. Then we hit the 50s, where the space race made rocket ship media such a popular product that suddenly SF went from thought provoking stories that may involve robots or aliens to ray gun toting spacemen and aliens replacing cowboys and Indians (how the cowboys got from the old west to India is still unknown, but I hear they loved the curry). While SF writers could still use the format to talk about real world issues in the context of fantasy to avoid censorship, the format became a watered down version of what it once was.
There is much in what you say, but while there is a gulf between METROPOLIS and FORBIDDEN PLANET, or 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY and BLADE RUNNER, I love them all and wouldn't wish to be without them.

Of course, I might not necessarily feel quite so positively disposed towards some more recent efforts, such as the ongoing STAR WARS and TRANSFORMERS franchises, just to name a couple. And when it comes to the written word, I must confess to being mainly interested in the era between the early 1940s through to the late 1980s, with one or two exceptions in either direction.

And while I enjoy entertaining and intelligent social commentary, I don't always find it a necessity. Sometimes, all I'm after is a good story.
 

ant-mac

Member: Rank 9
CBS: Okay, Robert, we need to bring something to Discovery to make it more appealing to the old Trekkers...whadda ya have for us?
Bloch: Stay seated, because I have a story idea that is going to bowl you over!
CBS (internal voice): don't say it...don't say it...
Bloch: Jack the Ripper...
CBS: GET OUT!!!
I hate to spoil your fun, but Jack the Ripper already exists and has been incorporated into STAR TREK continuity and lore ever since the 1960s.

Of course, existing continuity and lore means nothing to the talentless arseholes currently hellbent on destroying a much-loved and long-lived franchise such as DOCTOR... I mean STAR TREK. :emoji_wink:

Just out of interest, what would you call the episode? A TOY FOR JULIET? And could Harlan Ellison write the sequel to it? :emoji_grin:
 

ant-mac

Member: Rank 9
That, and going by the fans I come across on Tumblr, fans like us are dwindling. The modern fandom is filled with shippers and fan fic writers, who just want attractive actors that they can pair up in imaginary partnerships instead of thought-provoking SF. There are numerous blogs that don't talk about the depth of stories or character development, but instead encourage each other in their wanting to see The Doctor and Rory make it in the TARDIS. And it's not just WHO, but all of the fandoms. Between that and the ADD audience you mention, good SF writing won't be making an appearance any time soon.
And that's why I own a massive DVD collection that covers the likes of classic DOCTOR WHO, SURVIVORS (1975), BLAKE'S 7, THE TWILIGHT ZONE (1959), THE TWILIGHT ZONE (1985), THE TRIPODS, STAR TREK: ENTERPRISE, STAR TREK, STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION, STAR TREK: DEEP SPACE NINE, STAR TREK: VOYAGER, THE X-FILES, STARGATE: SG1, STARGATE: ATLANTIS and so on and so forth...

I keep my eye on what's new or shows promise, but I'm certainly not solely reliant on it for my entertainment.
 

ant-mac

Member: Rank 9
I found “Horror of Fang Rock” for $90 on Amazon and Barnes and Noble. Think I’ll check ebay. I don’t know why they discontinued that DVD.
90... dollars... American?!

For that much, I'd want it personally delivered to my home by Louise Jamison, dressed in her costume as Leela. :emoji_wink:
 

Doctor Omega

Member: Rank 10
Ex-Doctor Who bosses reveal the one worry they had about Jodie Whittaker’s first series

Russell T Davies and Steven Moffat were big fans of new showrunner Chris Chibnall’s first series – but before it started, they admit they were a bit concerned about one of his changes…


https://www.radiotimes.com/news/tv/2019-02-03/doctor-who-jodie-whittaker-sunday-move/


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In taking over Doctor Who, showrunner Chris Chibnall had a pretty big job.


Not only did he have to take the wheel of one of the BBC’s longest-running programmes, but he also had to live up to his predecessors in the top job, including screenwriters Russell T Davies and Steven Moffat.

Now, Chibnall is a series in, and both Davies and Moffat have expressed admiration for how he and new star Jodie Whittaker carried the show forward – even if they admitted they did originally have reservations about one of his changes.


“I think the move to Sunday has been brilliant,” Davies told RadioTimes.com at the Radio Times Covers Party. “I was worried about that, and I was a fool.”

“I was worried too,” agreed Moffat.


When Doctor Who returned to TV in 2005 under Davies’ stewardship, Doctor Who was a Saturday evening treat. Barring seasonal specials, the show retained that slot until Moffat’s departure in 2017.

However, the series was moved to Sunday evenings during Chibnall’s first run.

“[The change] has worked superbly,” Moffat said. “They were absolutely spot on.”

“It was brilliant,” said Davies. “It works doesn’t it?”


The former writers added that they believe the series’ move gave it an opportunity to refresh, while also allowing Chibnall to “re-tool” Doctor Who to his liking.

“I think he’s re-tooled it a bit for Sunday,” Moffat said. “A bigger cast, a different feel to it. Very smart.”

“Bigger horizons,” agreed Davies. “He’s not bad, is he? The boy.”


“If only he’d talk to us,” joked Moffat.

Doctor Who is currently set to return to TV screens in early 2020, but the BBC has not yet confirmed whether the show will move to – but if it does, the decision will definitely have at least two staunch supporters.


Doctor Who returns to BBC1 in 2020



 

Doctor Omega

Member: Rank 10
Jodie Whittaker will reprise her role as The Doctor in a new animated interactive VR film called ‘The Runaway’
Fans will get the chance to help her on this exciting adventure as they find themselves at the centre of the action facing a deadly threat...

https://twitter.com/thetimeladies_/status/1096197410840367105/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1096197410840367105&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2Ftwitter.min.html%231096197410840367105
 

Doctor Omega

Member: Rank 10
For me, this following scene (and a further one where he was relentlessly sneering "P.E.!!! P.E!!!!") is where, with extreme sadness and disappointment, I first strongly sensed that "Capaldi ain't working" and "what the **** are they giving him to perform?"

It does not help that a plank of wood actor with zero talent and charisma has been cast as Danny (stupid surname) Pink.

I feel certain that a script editor of old would have furrowed his brow upon finding a scene like this - then struck heavy lines through it entirely. And probably phoned the writer up to ask what the **** he was doing.

Thrilling adventures in time and space this ain't. If I want to watch an overdone soap opera, with the Doctor being a petty, sneering dick, I would go elsewhere, not see it shoehorned into WHO.

I think this kind of stuff is as lethal to Capaldi's Doctor as THE TWIN DILEMMA was to Colin's........






THE CARETAKER (2014).......

https://www.imdforums.com/threads/the-caretaker-2014.5326/
 
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The Seeker

Member: Rank 6
Two tendencies in NuWho that bug me:
  • His/her militant anti-military stance. OK Danny was a soldier, big deal, don't bash him over the head with it!
  • Always trashing the companion's boyfriend (or husband). Is the Doctor jealous or something?
Luckily Capaldi survived everything Moffat threw at him. He was robbed. :emoji_disappointed:
 
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