Spoilers Let's Talk DISCOVERY!

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  1. Janine The Barefoot

    Janine The Barefoot Wacky Norwegian Woman

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    The thing that Penny Dreadful taught me (in all of it's flaming, "Towering Inferno" example of self-destruction through the hubris and greed of man... is that they destroy what we love and don't care who will be left to clean up the ashes of their work when the public has stopped believing the lies and the "Fire Dept"./"Spin Docs" either cannot or will not continue to clean up their messes for them. So that ultimately, what the Networks and studios are in fact, is "The Weeping Angels" of our viewing world.

    In the end, their goal is to have us frozen in their version of time & space, unable to move out of our armchairs and away from the screen at all. Unable to question their ridiculous stories because we cannot think for ourselves. Unable to move, frozen in time & space without the ability to either clean the drool from our mouths, eat or to pee because they've locked us into their "viewing chair", stuck us in their timeline where there are no fans with the memory of what really happened and therefore no one to complain about their bastardization of it. Stuck in the world in which they dismantled IMDb because it had too many members doing too much research who were able to claim "F-O-U-L" which in turn affected their ratings because it was a site so big that it actually could sway public opinion. Then, we refused to shut-up about it when we were told to just say nothing and accept their lies as truth. Penny Dreadful proved that there were no spin docs. on Earth that could save him (John Logan) from his ego, his lies or his sudden appearance as a Dalek pointing his destruct-o-ray at his own show and screaming "exterminate" and then disappearing into another timeline so he wouldn't even have to be there for the third season when the show, did in fact, get blown entirely off the face of the TV landscape.

    Now, CBS (Corporation Broadcasters Suck) is trying to do it to ST Discovery. So once again with the lies, onward with the justifications and hands clapping with glee and laughter that IMDb is now gone so there's no one left to cry BS while they try to rewrite a history they know nothing about and would rather destroy the whole world and history of (read: "Universe") than to admit they're wrong, or worse yet, that there's a possibility that the fans aren't doddering old idiots who don't have the energy left to take the fight right back to them..... wrongo oh evil, bubble-covered robots, bent on the destruction of The Doctor (Ooooops..... ST Discovery ) and the Universe we are sworn to protect!

    They will never win! At this rate, the buzz on the show will kill it before it even airs. So even if Majel isn't here to defend what Gene stood for and the Producers/Directors/Writers (Bryan Fuller) who remember and wanted to honor it have been fired because they got in the way of a studio that can't have any vision of a show they've never seen! Well we, the fans, can screw them up the arse anyway!

    I was so excited for this show. I watched and listened while they pushed back the start date and even though I knew very well what it meant, I still held onto my hope. Well, "F" 'em! We have, gentlemen, what is referred to as an "off button".... and we know how to use it! We'll teach others to use it too and we'll do it for free! Advertising is worthless when you're fighting people who are just giving the information away for free!

    So go ahead and air your bastardized version of what could have been a beautiful thing. Spend billions on "trying to get it right" when you've already fired the guy who did. Sell advertising spots and then surrender them because STD (Huh.... if you just use the initials of the show you get STD.... who knew?!) is going to be the show you launch your Pay-per-view new dross station on anyway. Then, when it collapses right out from under you.... and takes your "money channel" with it.... you can come back here and we'll tell you "We told you so"!!!!!....... and we'll even do it for free!

    Because at this point, I gotta ask myself what happens when you schedule a show and no one.... absolutely no one..... shows up to watch?

    :emoji_kiss::emoji_dancer: And in the meantime..... would any of you gentlemen like "The Boot"? :emoji_boot:.... You certainly deserve it! :emoji_no_good: :emoji_shrug:
     
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  2. Hux

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    I'm still hopeful.

    The cast is superb and there's a clear vision behind the whole season. It should also look great given the production costs.
     
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  3. Doctor Omega

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    An actual trailer!!!!

    Strangely, CBS seem to be randomly blocking this trailer, so not sure how long this link will be valid...



     
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  4. Hux

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    I'm in.

    But more lense flare... really?
     
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  5. Doctor Omega

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    The trailer got blocked!

    Here's another version...


     
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    Why would it be blocked?

    Are they smart enough to be ashamed of it?
     
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  7. Doctor Omega

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    They seem to be doing the wack-a-mole thing of stamping on it wherever it pops up.

    Yet I think this was a legitimately released trailer, not a leak.

    All very odd.
     
  8. Doctor Omega

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    The whole thing feels almost borderline fan-film to me, in both budget and feel.

    And as for that Klingon redesign......
     
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    They look good for a new species, but shithouse for an established species.
     
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    As more and more information has come out about this show, I've gone from anticipation to concern to "why bother, it'll probably be cancelled quickly anyway"
     
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    Yes, it's been a real journey of discovery... :emoji_wink:
     
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    I wonder what the production brief was. "Let's see how badly we can fuck up a beloved franchise" ??
     
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    You're assuming they were smart enough to come up with a plan that was that simple.
     
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    I'm assuming that it's hard to fuck up as badly as it appears they have without putting in a lot of effort towards that goal. Even cutting up old scripts from the various series and taping them back together in random order would probably be better received than this.
     
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    Star Trek: Discovery’s Klingon may look unfamiliar for a reason
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    The theory behind their “new” look


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    After months and months of waiting, CBS finally released the first trailer for Star Trek: Discovery yesterday (seen above) and one aspect stood out above all the rest: the Klingon’s new look.

    The most notable difference between many of the Klingons in Star Trek: Discovery and the look of Klingons in, say, Star Trek: The Next Generation, as seen in the prosthetic makeup on Michael Dorn as Lieutenant Worf is the lack of ridges on the new Klingons’ foreheads. Unlike Worf, their foreheads are smooth, which has led to many fans theorizing that this is an ancient group of Klingons that slowly died out.


    These ancient Klingons belonged to a group of alienated people who encountered humans on the edge of Federation space. In 2154, a group of Klingons managed to get their hands on Human Augments, a genetic material they used to try and improve their own genetic makeup. While this helped the Klingons become stronger and more intelligent, it also degraded their physical makeup. When one of the affected Klingons came down with a Levodian flu, the combination of the sickness and the genetic differences created an airborne, fatal plague that spread from world to world. This is all confirmed in Star Trek: Enterprise, one of the Star Trek series that happens to pre-date the Original Series.

    It was in the early stages of this plague that these Klingons lost the ridges on their foreheads. It was only with the help of the Enterprise’s Dr. Phlox that a cure for the plague was discovered. Star Trek: The Original Series takes place in 2364, but again, Star Trek: Enterprise takes place before that. Considering Discovery takes place before the events of the original series, which focused on Captain James T. Kirk and his crew aboard the Enterprise, and just after Star Trek: Enterprise, the timeline allows the theory to potentially come to fruition.

    The only counterargument is that the Klingons in the original series most likened humans. We know that because of the genetic mutation, they began to look more normal before a cure was found. If this is the storyline that CBS wants to take Discovery in, that will need to be addressed as these Klingons aren’t as similar to humans as their later counterparts.


    One other interesting aspect about the ancient group of Klingons that should be acknowledged is how religious they were. In the trailer, it seems like the Klingons have gathered together for a religious ceremony. Combined with the lack of ridges on their forehead, it seems to suggest that one of the focal points of the series — along with the crew of the U.S.S Discovery — may be the ancient Klingons trying to save their quickly vanishing species.

    Former showrunner Bryan Fuller mentioned that Discovery would focus on an important event from the original series that wasn’t ever examined in-depth, but didn’t mention anything specific about the Klingon race at the time.

    Star Trek: Discovery will launch this fall on CBS’ stand-alone app, CBS All Access.
     
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  18. Doctor Omega

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    Me too!

    I think people may have had enough of the po-faced Star Trek type show, full of profound speeches and "Shields up!"

    And prequels.

    I suspect that "The Orville" may be that Galaxy Quest series that people wanted.
     
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    It looks good, but will it be as good as QUARK?
     
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  20. Gavin

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    I don't think that's necessarily the case. The main problem is that the network knows Star Trek is popular enough to warrant movies and tv shows but they don't have enough faith in the concept to leave it alone and seem to think that they need to keep tweaking it to appeal to a greater fan base. But all that does is alienate the existing fans.
     
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