Review Modern Doctor Who

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  1. ant-mac

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    I would like to know why we never saw anything more from McGann.

    Was he offered the chance to resume the role?

    Was he interested? Was he not interested?

    Exactly WTF happened?
     
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    I don't think he was even spoken to let alone offered the new series!
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    If so, it's disappointing...

    But unsurprising.
     
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    I would have liked an actor who would have agreed to come back for The Day of the Doctor.
     
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    He wasn't interested in DW.

    He was just interested in working with RTD again.
     
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    And look at how that turned out!
     
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    Their relationship was destroyed all because of a tyrannical director I understand!
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    https://medium.com/@zmangareth/statement-on-bbc-books-and-transgenderism-dd7ad0c9231a


    Statement on BBC Books and Transgenderism
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    Gareth Roberts

    Jun 4 · 3 min read

    This is what happened recently. I’m keeping it simple and factual to avoid any ambiguity.

    I was commissioned by BBC Books to write a short story for an anthology of Dr Who stories. I’ve written several Dr Who episodes for tv and many Dr Who books, for BBC Books and for Virgin, the previous licence holder for Dr Who fiction.

    I completed and submitted the work.

    The publication of the book and its authors was not intended to be announced until early June, but some details, including my contribution, were leaked accidentally.

    At this point a section of the Dr Who fandom agitated for my removal. Also, some of the other contributing authors to the book (I don’t know who) threatened to withdraw if I was involved. BBC Books immediately folded to these demands, and I was informed that although I would be paid my story would not be published, as they judged – wrongly, in my opinion – that a potential boycott would make the book ‘economically unviable’.





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    These tweets in September 2017 were cheerful vulgarity. Like every other reasonable person I deplore and condemn any violence, intimidation or discrimination against any person for their beliefs or for how they present themselves, or indeed any other reason.

    When I was a kid in the 1980s and a member of the London Lesbian and Gay Teenage group we referred to ourselves and each other as queers, trannies and dykes. I note that one of these words is now somehow an official initial in the ever expanding lexicon LGBTQ, used now by the British royal family and the Conservative party. I find this irritating but I would never try to prevent people saying it with force or sanction. Freedom to offend is not an attack.

    Some have urged me to make a full, obeisant apology. Even if I was inclined to, I don’t think it would have any effect at all – for example, Helen Lewis of The New Statesman is currently being monstered for the most careful, respectful piece on this issue. I’m not bothered very much by words though I’m bothered when they distress my friends and family. But then, that’s how intimidation works. That’s why intimidators intimidate. (And I know for a fact it would be much worse for a woman in this position.)

    For the record this is my opinion on transgenderism and its ideology, with no humour or irony attached.

    I’ve rejected restrictive cultural gender stereotypes for as long as I can remember. I consider them to be very often harmful and constricting, especially for girls and women. The culture I enjoy most and the artists I like most are people who laugh at, bend and play with these roles.

    I don’t believe in gender identity. It is impossible for a person to change their biological sex. I don’t believe anybody is born in the wrong body.

    I think it’s wrong to – write a falsehood into law; compel people by law to speak words they do not believe; rewrite the law to remove women’s biological sex-based rights and protections; reinforce gender stereotypes; medicalise children who don’t conform to gender stereotypes. That’s it.

    I don’t believe my view should be protected either. People must be protected, ideas must never be. I would ask the writers who objected to my inclusion in the same book as them to reflect on that.

    My opinions on transgenderism are neither extreme nor unusual. It would be interesting to know if BBC Books/Random House would be prepared to pull from publication writing by Sharron Davies, Graham Linehan, Linda Bellos, Robert Webb, Germaine Greer, Lionel Shriver, Julie Burchill or Martina Navratilova.


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    https://www.radiotimes.com/news/tv/2019-06-06/doctor-who-writer-gareth-roberts-dropped-over-transgender-tweets/




    https://twitter.com/mssusieday/stat...reth-roberts-dropped-over-transgender-tweets/


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    Regardless of the rights or wrongs of this issue, I would love to have seen her face if BBC books had cheerfully and briskly said. "Well, goodbye then!" to her!", before they fled the room as she exploded with righteous indignation and more than a touch of pomposity.



    I guess all of his novels, short stories and episodes will be erased from the canon now. never to be re-issued.


    And, regardless of who is right and who is wrong, isn't all of this just a little scary?





    I wonder who, out of the New Who creatives, might be the next to fall if they fail to police their own thoughts and toe the line in
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    They did go overboard didn’t they. I feel like it was maybe insensitive-speech or misguided-speech, not hate-speech.
     
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    I don't understand any of this to be honest! What is he supposed to have said that antagonized someone? This cobblers about children being born without gender is the creation of a mind that is cooky! And anyone who believes we should be genderless is playing cricket with a knife in my book!
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    http://www.warpedfactor.com/2014/11/doctor-who-why-didnt-paul-mcgann-return.html







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    At least the NEW WHO creatives have been consistent.

    Given two options: (A being Sensible and B being Dumb):


    In this case......

    A: Make a new show with an actor keen to play the role and stay with the show to make it a success.

    B: Ignore that actor and instead make a new show with an actor who will quit after one season and refuse to ever be associated with the show again.



    ... we can always be confident that they will go with the dumb B option.

    "Choose option B" must, presumably, be written into the Showrunner's Manifesto, on pain of death. :emoji_head_bandage:

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    Thank goodness you haven't got a short story commissioned for BBC books JB. The above statement would have just got it cancelled and you would never be allowed to write for DOCTOR WHO - or probably anyone - ever again. You would also be vilified in the media and your name shunned from now and forevermore in the halls of fandom and beyond. Because you have dared to voice a contrary opinion and exercised your freedom of speech.

    I should also remind you that edgy humour is also banned these days, before you think of cracking a joke about... well, about anyone or anything at all. Ever again.

    It also makes me wonder how many of the brilliant writers of CLASSIC WHO would be similarly shown the door, erased from the record and demonised in the press if they were trying to work on the show now.

    I don't think Terry Nation would be looked on too kindly with all those female twisted ankles in his scripts for a start.

    Mind you, I don't think the likes of Terry Nation and Robert Holmes would be dumb enough to go anywhere near that double-edged sword, Twitter, which always seems to crop up as the smoking gun of these assisted career suicides. :emoji_head_bandage:
     
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    So we have a version of McCarthyism here in the UK sixty five years after the Americans!
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    It's a reactionary reaction to reactionary attitudes. Everything's all messed up.
     
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    Re: McGann – hindsight is 20/20. At least he wouldn't have bailed after a season and he would have appeared in the movie. But the whole show would have been completely different.
     
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    Chris Chibnall makes demands for series 13






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    +1 regarding Ryan's dyspraxia and Yaz's lack of development. In one episode Yaz's family got more characterization than she did and in another one her grandmother!

    But I have more faith in the BBC than this fellow.
     

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