Fun Plato and Socrates

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  1. michaellevenson

    michaellevenson Member: Rank 6

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    The Lord Plato is guarding a bridge over a river when Socrates appears. Socrates begs to be allowed passage.
    Plato bellows " If the next thing you say is true I will allow passage, but if the next thing you say is false I will throw you in the water"
    Socrates being clever says;
    " You will throw me in the water"
    If Plato does indeed throw Socrates in the water, then Socrates spoke truly and shouldn't have been thrown in, but if he doesn't throw him in, Socrates spoke falsely and should have gone in!
    Either way Plato is stuffed!!
    But hang on, Plato cannot fulfil his promise, it's logically impossible, so he has no obligation to keep his promise, and assuming free will can throw Socrates in the river if he pleases.
    It is argued that statements about future intentions cannot have a truth or false value. Socrates saying " You will throw me in the water " is neither true or false.
    However Socrates could have said something avoiding future dependant language that would have avoided a dowsing in the river. What?
    This is taken from the book ' Paradoxes from A to Z ' by Michael Clark that I can recommend.
     
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  2. michaellevenson

    michaellevenson Member: Rank 6

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    Here's the answer;

    All Socrates has to do is clarify Plato's intentions.
    Statement 'S' " If I speak truly you will not throw me in the river, if I speak falsely you will throw me in the river"
    If 'S' is true, then Socrates has spoken truly and won't get thrown in, but if ' S' is false then Socrates has spoken falsely and it's false that Plato will throw him in. So Socrates escapes a dunking whatever Plato wants assuming Plato's integrity
     
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  3. Doctor Omega

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    I love logical puzzles like this.

    I just I wish I had the ability to figure them out without cracking and cheating! :emoji_head_bandage:
     

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