Review Let's Talk about ENTERPRISE!

Discussion in 'ST: Enterprise' started by Doctor Omega, Feb 6, 2017.

  1. Doctor Omega

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    Feel free to post general ENTERPRISE messages here if you wanna discuss Captain Archer and his motley crew...

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    For me, what hurt this show, was spending three seasons dragging out the Temporal Cold War storyline. By the time they got past that, it was too late, and then they killed Trip. There's some really great stuff in this series, but that was my biggest complaint.
     
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  3. Doctor Omega

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    I understand that they overwrote Trips death in subsequent novels. I never saw season 3, but it was apparently a rather heavy handed 9/11 allegory.
     
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    Indeed it was. I thought it was good, but Trip's death just felt too much. I should check out some of the books.
     
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    I was also upset that RTD had wanted to do a Doctor Who/Enterprise crossover, but the latter series was cancelled before any talks could take place. I would have loved to have seen Eccelston and Archer take on some baddies.
     
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    Wow! I had never heard of that! Yes, it would have been awesome and would, additionally have thrown up all kinds of fan-fiction crossover possibilities, making WHO canon in the Trek universe and vice versa.
     
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    I know there were a couple of DW/ST crossover comic series. One had Eleven meeting up with Picard & co., and another had Four with Kirk and his crew. I still haven't read them, mostly because my LCS is always sold out when I go to buy the trades (I still feel like a traitor to my LCS if I order them online).
     
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    I think the temporal cold war should have been introduced later on.

    They should have introduced the TV series and the characters and let them establish themselves first. I found enough of interest in that time zone without introducing a second one.
     
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    Did you love it?

    Or hate it?


     
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    Looking at the franchise as a whole, at that point, I thought it was just fine and a nice send off, maybe not of Enterprise, but certainly of the Berman era of Star Trek.

    But I can see why some fans and members of the Enterprise cast were disgruntled that the focus went off Archer and Co. in their finale, not helped by the (now retconned) death of a regular.
     
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    Look at that shot of Troi above. And you have your answer. It was great.
     
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    Disgruntled?.... outraged, flabbergasted and furious! Shocked into disbelief and out-right disgust. As someone else on this board told me, she just disregards the series finale' completely. It doesn't exist to her. To me, it went up in flames like the Hindenburg... and there was no humanity anywhere in sight. The finale' took the entire series out of a prison cell, lined all the characters up against a wall and shot them in the back... as far as I'm concerned, they killed the bloody dog as well and should be sentenced to "development hell" where they should spend the rest of their lives trying to sell bad shows that will never get picked up.

    So maybe I'm just a little "disgruntled". :emoji_rage: And perhaps a bit vindictive as a garnish on my plate of disgust.... :emoji_shrug:
     
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    Your thoughts on Captain Archer....

    Worthy of being "Kirk's hero" as the pre-publicity for this show claimed?

    Or does he fall short?
     
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    I think Archer was a good captain. When Kirk and company hit the screen, the Federation had already been established and humans had adapted to dealing with space travel, aliens cultures, etc., even though there would still be events and situations that would take them by surprise. When Archer went out on his mission, this was all new territory. We had only dealt with the Vulcans, and suddenly we meet a Klingon, and then they're off into the vastness of space. Plus, at this point, Starfleet was more military than it had become in later incarnations.

    Also, I have a soft spot for Scott Bakula. Ever since QUANTUM LEAP, I've loved him as an actor. I think he did a good job of portraying a man who is out of his comfort zone but adapting as best he can to the situation.
     
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    He had the necessary gravitas.

    Shame the show wasted the first two seasons regurgitating old stories.
     
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    I never much cared but some positively hated it.

     
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    I actually liked it. I think because it was a prequel I was okay with the break from an instrumental opening and using a pop song. It fit the tone of the show.
     
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    It took me a while to get used to it, but in the end I liked it.

    I also really liked the theme they used for the mirror universe two-parter.
     
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    Your thoughts.

    First time round, I thought it was highly impressive. Lots of action, lots of drama, an ongoing story that didn't involve going to some boring planet where the flowers make you hallucinate.

    But with each re-watch, it definitely feels weaker and weaker and on my last re-watch, I concluded that it was not only a little tedious but it was also kinda dumb.

    I mean, Earth gets attacked (7 million dead) and they send... one ship? No back-up, no help from the Vulcans, just one measly Earth ship. Frankly, that was ludicrous and unrealistic. It was the greatest terror attack on Earth ever and the planet's response is... let's send that Enterprise ship. I'm sure they'll adequately resolve things.

    Then we have the Xindi themselves. They create a weapon capable of doing some damage (quite a lot) but nowhere near enough to incapacitate Earth. So these idiots use their prototype, alerting Earth to the danger rather than just testing it on an uninhabited planet then using the main weapon (the one they're trying to stop in the season long arc) and destroying earth before they ever knew anything about it.

    Dumb!

    Enterprise was such a waste of so much potential.
     
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    Couldn't agree more. There was so much they could have done with Enterprise, and they missed every opportunity to make it a truly great show. I still enjoy it, even more than I enjoy DS9 or Voyager. But when I do go back and re-watch episodes, I find more of the weaknesses that I overlooked the first time around. They spent too long on the Temporal Cold War, and then went right into the Xindi War. They should have plotted all of this out better.
     
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