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Discussion in 'The Terminator' started by Doctor Omega, Feb 14, 2017.
A fitting end to the trilogy?
Or the point where the rot started to set in?
A fitting end to the trilogy. That's my position on it. In my opinion, the rot had already started to set in with the second movie of the series.
Here's the way I consider the franchise to work (it's just my opinion though, so don't be sad if you disagree):
- The original Terminator is (and always will be) a stand-alone movie. There are no sequels to it.
- Terminator 2 is an alternate universe sequel. That way, I can still enjoy the film without finding it so unnecessary.
- Judgement Day really is erased from existence at the end of Terminator 2. I have to really suspend my disbelief for that, but I will, because otherwise the film has no point.
- After Terminator 2, it splits into three separate timelines. One is the "no Judgement Day" timeline I mentioned above. One is the Terminator 3 timeline. And the last is the timeline for the TV series (it's literally impossible for Terminator 3 and the TV series to both happen on one timeline, so this is the only valid explanation).
- Terminator 3 ends the Terminator 3 timeline.
- I don't even acknowledge that Terminator Salvation exists (I thought it was boring. It felt nothing like a Terminator movie).
I haven't seen Genysis yet, so I can't have an opinion, but I'll probably consider it non-canon in the end.
Wow, Terminator is like a long-running comic book, isn't it? Always retconning things. It makes my head hurt trying to figure out how things even begin to make sense in the series. LOL.
I too thought that this was the best place to end it.
The ending was surprisingly downbeat in an almost matter of fact way and unusual for Hollywood.
Salvation barely registered and I have yet to see Genisys, but the scathing reviews don't make me in a hurry to see it. But I will one day.
The tv series concept seems a bit pointless.
So, the Terminator Trilogy should have perhaps been where the series naturally reached it's conclusion.
I thought it was the right place to end the film series. It was the logical place. The journey was complete. :)
I also liked the ending. Not everyone gets to live happily ever after.
TERMINATOR SALVATION was a waste of time - but it was still ten times better than TERMINATOR GENESYS. :(
More than just a bit pointless. I liked bits and pieces of it, but then it went off on its own timeline... :mad:
Now how do we convince Hollywood? :confused:
We just can't.... :(
To badly quote Michael Beihn...
You can't reason with them.
And you can't ever, ever stop them!
Untitled Terminator Reboot (2019)
You may take that reply as you wish... ;)
Just gave it it's own thread. Now will duck for cover!
Now might be a good time to invest in non-stick, waterproof clothing... ;)
I don't really like it, but I do like the ending.
I think it was T3 that was the start of the rot T1 and T2 were both very good the terminator after james cameron left was never the same T1 was originally a 18 rating and T2 was on the borderline between 15 and 18 but minor revisions were made and it got a 15 but after that it became a kids movie with 12 ratings.
Maybe if James Cameron makes another it could be good again but it was dumbed down so much for T3 it would take a lot. That said I would love to see another 18 rated terminator movie.
One positive thing about Genesys is that it basically confirms your separate timelines theory. So you can feel free to include or ignore any of the sequels as you like. Just pick the universe where your preferred entries are the only ones that occurred.
There are things I love: Catherine Brewster and the whole concept of OTHER people being important to the resistance. I always hated the idea that Connor was some kind of irreplaceable Christ figure who did it all alone. This film finally addressed that.
I also loved the ending. Just right.
That all being said, it lacked gravitas and sometimes felt frivolous. It doesn't stand up to the first two.
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