Controversial The IMDF Conflict Zone!

[Mad-Pac]

Actually I think most South Americans (and Canadians) prefer to be identified in a way that separates them from the USAians. And since the USA seems to have claimed American, they don't want to be confused for people who might have voted for Trump.

Well, as a South American I don't want to be confused with "Yankees" (in the absence of a better term), but I have no problem with the adjective American to refer to someone citizen of the USA. The way I see things, the idea of America as a new continent was so strong and powerful that different nations took it to mean different things, and nobody had the exclusivity over the word. So, it just happens that there's a continent named America and also a country named America, but one thing is one thing and the other thing is the other thing.

So, we have
The United States of America
Estados Unidos Mexicanos
(See? There isn't just one United States after all. And until 1950 something we used to be...)
Estados Unidos do Brasil
(And now we are...)
República Federativa do Brasil
(Yeah, same thing as Germany)

So, technically, if somebody says they are from the United States, you'd be right to ask "Which one?" And then you'd have to say I come from "The Federative Republic."

AS for not mistaking us Brazilians with someone else, yes we are Latinos, but then we consider "Latinos" people from most Latin America, parts of Canada, Portugal, Spain, France, Italy and Romania. We can also be considered culturally Iberians.

But please, please, do NOT call us Hispanics! No Brazilian likes that.

And finally as far as my English speaking side is concerned, I identify mostly with California, because that's where I spent most of my time in the USA, and where I studied part of my high-school years.

As for the Trump reference, I'd rather not get into details about another country's president, but I found our press coverage to be so shamelessly biased, simply repeating what some foreign press organizations were selling, that I actually began to see him under a more favorable light. And what matters to me is the situation around here. And if you look at countries like Cuba, Ecuador, Bolivia and Venezuela (especially), you might understand why I don't want this brand of socialism anywhere near us. Add that to the fact Workers' Party ex-president Lula has been indicted of several crimes, (and I hope he spends a long, long time in jail), you won't have problems to figure out where I stand politically.

 

[Mad-Pac]

Sadly 45ºC is becoming more common here in Australia. And where I live in NSW, although it doesn't often get quite that hot, multiple days of 40ºC+ aren't uncommon.

What']s the latitude there? Mine is 30 degrees south. The temperatures you're describing are more similar to what we have in the Northeast, in the arid zone we call "sertão." That bares many similarities with the Australian Outback. I live in the South, a subtropical/temperate zone, so technically out of the tropics. It gets hot in the summer, but not as much, and the temperature drops significantly in the winter. It also rains a lot, and sometimes snows on the mountains.

 

[michaellevenson]

Firstly thank you for the vote of confidence, I'll be delighted to steer The Sages through Blakes7. I'll explain what will happen there shortly.
If Star Cops is also done then I'll probably comment on that too, as possibly will Dr Omega and Ant Mac, but they can answer that for themselves.
I really hope both Mad Pac and Brimfin join in with B7, however it seems both have no interest in it and won't be joining in and prefer to split the Sages into two. If I'm proved wrong, great, we'll see.
Okay people;
Our Blakes7 rewatch starts now, Sunday Feb 11th
We have an unusual situation in that all the threads are already provided, by Doctor Omega and were used in a review (not a rewatch) that he and I did last year. It would be foolish and wasteful not to use these wonderfully created threads. So that is what we'll do. I will put a link to them at the bottom of this post.
In the Blake 7 forum is a thread titled the sages watch Blakes7 , this contains cast list of the first episode, and will be updated as we go through the series with the next episode's cast list. This thread also contains a link to Dr Omega's episode threads. So you can either visit the cast thread on the way to the episode thread or go straight to the episode thread where a youtube link will take you to the Blake's 7 episode . It couldn't be easier.
As traditional with The Sages we will go through one episode per week, I will update the cast thread every Saturday morning, U.K.time, and we can spend a week chewing over each episode.
Now , as all the threads are already there some of you may like to go quicker and surge ahead, THAT IS OKAY, proceed at your own pace.
But please to avoid spoilers , review each episode on the correct thread.
On the first episode thread we review episode 1 , on the second thread , episode 2, plus any more episode 1 comment, on thread 3, episode 3, and episodes 2and 1 comments etc..
If everyone has reviewed an episode before the Saturday and there's no more comments I'll update the cast thread earlier and we can go onto the next episode.
so we start Feb 11th see you on the Blakes7 forum
Link to Blakes7 episode one thread
https://www.imdforums.com/threads/blakes-7-the-way-back-episode-01.3309/

Link to cast thread;
https://www.imdforums.com/threads/the-sages-watch-blakes-7.4174/

 

[Mad-Pac]

It's not the “BLAKE’S SAGES,”.

It's the IMDF Sages.

AS I said, you can change it from Blake's Sages to whatever is wanted. So far it was "Sages of the Single Season." We had a long, exhausting discussion and voting process just to get to this fantastic name! So that's the one. As I don't think "Single Season" applies anymore, I made an administrative decision to change it to "Blake's Sages," which it doesn't mean it has to stay that way. Honestly "IMDF Sages" is something I'm hearing for the first tie right now. If I can make a suggestion, I recommend that if you think this should be the name of the group you should consult the others and have everybody properly vote on this new name, as we did earlier.

And we won't just be watching "long-running cult British shows".

If I recall correctly, I used the word "inclined."

And why are you splitting up the group?

I'm not splitting anything. I'm just opening another board. I'm still going to be in this one, and so can anybody who takes part in that board. I can do two things at once, you know.

The thing is, as I've explained, I don't feel comfortable presenting a show to people who know it much, much better than I do. It wouldn't make sense. Besides, I'll enjoy things better without that specific responsibility.

Also, as I said before, I think the restriction to one-season, cancelled shows is what made us unique. If you have a group about "single season shows and shows of any other kind," the single season aspect disappears, because people will start nominating and voting for just any show, and a single season show will only be picked as a coincidence at best. So we should still have out little corner for single-season shows as we've been doing since 2010 or 2011, I guess.

Has this ever been done before?

Nope. But then we never had such an influx of fans from another board who want to change everything. Come to think of it, that sounds like an interesting metaphor about mass immigration and cultural identity...

 

[ant-mac]

Firstly thank you for the vote of confidence, I'll be delighted to steer The Sages through Blakes7. I'll explain what will happen there shortly.
If Star Cops is also done then I'll probably comment on that too, as possibly will Dr Omega and Ant Mac, but they can answer that for themselves.
I really hope both Mad Pac and Brimfin join in with B7, however it seems both have no interest in it and won't be joining in and prefer to split the Sages into two. If I'm proved wrong, great, we'll see.
Okay people;
Our Blakes7 rewatch starts now, Sunday Feb 11th
We have an unusual situation in that all the threads are already provided, by Doctor Omega and were used in a review (not a rewatch) that he and I did last year. It would be foolish and wasteful not to use these wonderfully created threads. So that is what we'll do. I will put a link to them at the bottom of this post.
In the Blake 7 forum is a thread titled the sages watch Blakes7 , this contains cast list of the first episode, and will be updated as we go through the series with the next episode's cast list. This thread also contains a link to Dr Omega's episode threads. Do you can either visit the cast thread on the way to the episode thread or go straight to the episode thread where a youtube link will take you to the Blake's 7 episode . It couldn't be easier.
As traditional with The Sages we will go through one episode per week, I will update the cast thread every Saturday morning, U.K.time, and we can spend a week chewing over each episode.
Now , as all the threads are already there some of you may like to go quicker and surge ahead, THAT IS OKAY, proceed at your own pace.
But please to avoid spoilers , review each episode on the correct thread.
On the first episode thread we review episode 1 , on the second thread , episode 2, plus any more episode 1 comment, on thread 3, episode 3, and episodes 2and 1 comments etc..
If everyone has reviewed an episode before the Saturday and there's no more comments I'll update the cast thread earlier and we can go onto the next episode.
so we start Feb 11th see you on the Blakes7 forum

Also, each Sunday, I'll make sure that the episode under review for that week will be stickied to the top of the thread, to make it easier to find.

 

[Mad-Pac]

If Star Cops is also done then I'll probably comment on that too

That seems to be a little of a chicken and egg situation. You say you'll comment if we do "Star Cops," and I'm saying that if you and the other folks who voted for "Star Cops" will comment on a second show, then we can do "Star Cops," because otherwise if it's just us people who didn't choose "Star Cops," we'll probably stick with "Welcome to Paradox."

 

[michaellevenson]

The second place show was Star Cops, so if there's another review going on it must really be that show, anything else and it transparently clear that the new influx are treated like children, patted on the head and sent to their own playroom, while the regular sages watch their own show in peace. What will.happen after you've finished your show and B7 is still going on, have vote between 2 or 3 of you and do another show?
Anyway I said I'll do Star Cops as well, Cloister voted for it, and if Ant-Mac and Doc want to do Star Cops too, that's four, so Star Cops it is as well .Two British shows great!!

 

[Gavin]

What']s the latitude there? Mine is 30 degrees south. The temperatures you're describing are more similar to what we have in the Northeast, in the arid zone we call "sertão." That bares many similarities with the Australian Outback. I live in the South, a subtropical/temperate zone, so technically out of the tropics. It gets hot in the summer, but not as much, and the temperature drops significantly in the winter. It also rains a lot, and sometimes snows on the mountains.

We're 33 south. The main problem is that I live away from the coast. On the coast, even on the hottest days the temperature is dragged down by the ocean (and in winter the temperature is raised). Away from the ocean we're often 4-5 degrees warmer (or cooler in winter).

 

[Mad-Pac]

Much as I love STAR COPS, (and I really do! ) I feel that splitting the group into two and running "parallel" things and "chapters" would just continue to perpetuate an "us and them" mentality - and division in the group - when I think we all, oldies and newbies, should be focusing on one project at a time.

I don't understand that. There are many different boards on IMDF. Aren't you guys coming from the Blake's 7 board? If we don't keep the single season aspect, that means we are simply being absorbed by the Blake's 7 board. And then from there, without the single season restriction, we'll probably move on to other long-running shows. And you say "much as I love Star Cops", well this is not because of a specific show. It is the single season board, so we'd like to count on you for this and future single season shows.

I'll be there anyway. I also intend to take part in other IMDF boards as someone recently suggested (Hey! Wasn't it YOU?)

Just my gut feeling, but I think that splitting the group maybe defeats the point?

Nobody is splitting anything. The newcomers have made it clear they didn't want to keep the single season aspect. But I do. It won't be a split, it's an addition.

I left my position clear in the very beginning. Taking part in both boards is the best compromise I can offer.

I was, frankly, looking forward to you demolishing every one of the hated Blake's 7 episodes. Perhaps with electrifying debate accompanying every installment.

That hasn't changed. I just can't guarantee the show will interest enough to go deep, as I stated in the very beginning.

But instead, Mad-Pac, it feels as if you are saying, albeit diplomatically, that - other than perhaps a token watch of as few episodes as possible - that you really don't want to play in our sandpit and are going to go to another sandpit, while taking as many members with you as you can.

Oh,l I really, really want all of you guys contributing to the efforts we were making, but apparently nobody wanted to stick to the single-season spirit, which has been fundamental all this time. We would go from obscure to obscure show and that was what motivated us. But if you guys were not interested, OK, that's how things go. I really wanted you in our "sandpit", but nobody seemed interested in it, and wanted an entirely different sandpit altogether.

My objections are not about you as a person, the newcomers as people, Blake's 7 as a show, British shows as a nationality for shows, any of that. My problem is specifically with multiple season shows, and I explained that in detail when we first discussed it.

That would be a real shame, I feel, because as the great Ker Avon once said, "We stand a better chance as a group!"

Yeah, and I agree. I really do. I really wish you guys had adopted the traditional "Sages of the Single Season" spirit, and I was honestly disappointed when that didn't happen. But as Sir Mick Jagger once said, "You can't always get what you want."

If I have misread things, I apologise, but it just springs from being a bit saddened at the whole "chapter" and "parallel" approach to things.

Perhaps you didn't follow our exchanges from the beginning? Perhaps "chapters" and "parallel" are not the best approach then. Which one would you suggest to recover the single season spirit? Do you have a different suggestion? I'm all ears.

 

[michaellevenson]

That seems to be a little of a chicken and egg situation. You say you'll comment if we do "Star Cops," and I'm saying that if you and the other folks who voted for "Star Cops" will comment on a second show, then we can do "Star Cops," because otherwise if it's just us people who didn't choose "Star Cops," we'll probably stick with "Welcome to Paradox."

What you're saying is Welcome to Paradox didn't win, but it is the highest place non British show, so you'd rather do that and ignore the result.
You just couldn't accept it ! I mean really really in.your gut ,accept B7 won, and do what's always been done, and watch the winner.,shame.
I'll see hopefully most of you guys on the Blake's 7 forum
we start tomorrow Feb11th

 

[Mad-Pac]

The second place show was Star Cops, so if there's another review going on it must really be that show, anything else and it transparently clear that the new influx are treated like children, patted on the head and sent to their own playroom, while the regular sages watch their own show in peace.

I resent that. Nobody is treating anybody like children. And I explained things to you very clearly: I told you i wasn't particularly interested in Blake's 7 and I wasn't ready to abandon the single season aspect. I explained that in detail. There are no "regular sages." There are the "Sages of the Single Season" (remember those?) and "Blake's Sages," or whatever we rename it.

And yes, Star Cops won, fair and square, and even though I didn't vote for it, that's the show I intend to cover on that board. However, Star Cops only got so many votes because of the people coming from the Blake's 7 board, who have a strong liking for classic British shows. And if none of them want to take part of a second\board, then which show is viewed is a moot point really.

And when the single season show ends, yes we'll choose another single-season show. The regulars watching there and whoever else wants to participate in the second board.

Anyway I said I'll do Star Cops as well, Cloister voted for it, and if Ant-Mac and Doc want to do Star Cops too, that's four, so Star Cops it is as well .Two British shows great!!

Sure, as long as you, Cloister, ant-mac and Dr. Omega take part in it, by all means!

 

[Gavin]

I'm happy to watch both Blake's 7 and Star Cops. Hopefully as many people as possible who voted choose to stick with both groups if that's the way we;re going

 

[Mad-Pac]

What you're saying is Welcome to Paradox didn't win, but it is the highest place non British show, so you'd rather do that and ignore the result.

Oh, gosh that reminds me of a recent TV interview in which the female presenter kept saying "so you're saying that" and then distorted all of the guest's words. It was hilarious. NO, I'M NOT SAYING THAT. Welcome to Paradox is the highest show I personally want to watch. It was my number one nomination, so it's my preference. But of course if the people who voted for Star Cops will be present, of course we'll do Star Cops. No doubt about it. What won't happen is me watching Star Cops all by myself. That wouldn't make sense, right?

You just couldn't accept it ! I mean really really in.your gut ,accept B7 won, and do what's always been done, and watch the winner.,shame.

I couldn't accept it? There is nothing to accept. We all already knew Blake's 7 would win. There was no surprise there. That became evident when people started nominating Blake's 7 over and over again. And I explained to you how I felt about shows with more than one season. I gave you my reasons. That has not changed. But if I don't have the responsibility to coordinate the board for multiple-season shows, then I'll feel light enough to try this new model with the same freedom anybody else will have.

I mean really really in.your gut ,accept B7 won, and do what's always been done, and watch the winner.,shame.

You call my attitude a shame? I call yours. When you joined a group with defined rules and kept pushing your favorite shows. You new we only covered single-season shows, yet you tried to pretend "Dr. Who: War of the Daleks" was an independent show, or that Blake's 7 season 1 was its own show because reasons... Come on, really?

I'll see hopefully most of you guys on the Blake's 7 forum
we start tomorrow Feb11th

Well, I don't know if I'm still included in the "most of you guys" but I said I would and I will.

 

[Mad-Pac]

I'm happy to watch both Blake's 7 and Star Cops. Hopefully as many people as possible who voted choose to stick with both groups if that's the way we;re going

THANK YOU. That's what I call a constructive attitude and we're in need of that right now. So, there's me and Gavin for the single season chapter. Anybody else?

 

[chainsaw_metal1]

I'm obvs going to to do Blake's 7, but I will try to participate in Star Cops as well, if I have the time to devote. I'm a working class hero, with a family, so time is sacred.

 

[Mad-Pac]

@ant-mac, would you please open a Star Cops board? It looks like that's the one we're going to do as well.

 

[ant-mac]

Hmm... Interesting choice.

There are a few similarities between BLAKE'S 7 and STAR COPS.

Just let me dismantle TWIN PEAKS.

 

[Mad-Pac]

I'm obvs going to to do Blake's 7, but I will try to participate in Star Cops as well, if I have the time to devote. I'm a working class hero, with a family, so time is sacred.

Fantastic! That's Mad-Pac, Gavin and chainsaw_metal1 in both boards so far.

 

[chainsaw_metal1]

I find it fascinating that I'm posting so much in the Twin Peaks thread, and yet I've never seen an episode.

 

[michaellevenson]

Oh, gosh that reminds me of a recent TV interview in which the female presenter kept saying "so you're saying that" and then distorted all of the guest's words. It was hilarious. NO, I'M NOT SAYING THAT. Welcome to Paradox is the highest show I personally want to watch. It was my number one nomination, so it's my preference. But of course if the people who voted for Star Cops will be present, of course we'll do Star Cops. No doubt about it. What won't happen is me watching Star Cops all by myself. That wouldn't make sense, right?


I couldn't accept it? There is nothing to accept. We all already knew Blake's 7 would win. There was no surprise there. That became evident when people started nominating Blake's 7 over and over again. And I explained to you how I felt about shows with more than one season. I gave you my reasons. That has not changed. But if I don't have the responsibility to coordinate the board for multiple-season shows, then I'll feel light enough to try this new model with the same freedom anybody else will have.


You call my attitude a shame? I call yours. When you joined a group with defined rules and kept pushing your favorite shows. You new we only covered single-season shows, yet you tried to pretend "Dr. Who: War of the Daleks" was an independent show, or that Blake's 7 season 1 was its own show because reasons... Come on, really?


Well, I don't know if I'm still included in the "most of you guys" but I said I would and I will.

Yes of course, I mean hopefully everyone will watch B7, as Doc says it isn't the same without you and brimfin.
BTW , how did you know about the Venusian moles in B7!? You have seen it! I will say this , and protect it with a spoiler alert;

Spoiler

B7 is human vs human , no aliens. That's why it's unique